All Queries 3. Measures, Rules, and Prices
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In this query is the list of illustrations intended for Chapter 3 that was originally provided by the author. Can you help us identify them, source them, figure out what their rights situations are (and if they are copyrighted, help us find similar open-source or public domain or creative commons alternatives), suggest a place to insert them in the chapter body if possible, and solve any of the queries about them inside the list below?
Any image suggested for inclusion in The Creation of Order must be licensed under Creative Commons 4.0 or in the public domain if it is to be embedded in the chapter. If it is not CC4.0 or PD, please suggest a link to somewhere externally readers might find the correct image. Please include a source link and attribution information for any image suggestion (Wikimedia Commons links are preferred if available).3.1 Gudea statues F and B from the Louvre,Illustration QueryThese hints may help in identifying this image/these images. holding the rule and the temple plan. (Reproduced in A.E. Berriman, Historical Metrology [New York: 1953].)
3.2 Van Buren: “The Rod and the Ring,”[1] from Sumerian cylinder seals.
3.3 Ur-Nammu stela: The moon-god Nanna giving Ur-Nammu the measuring rod and line with which he is to determine the dimensions of the ziggurat. (reproduced in Van Buren 1945, 1949, and/or 1956).Specify CitationWe’re not sure which Van Buren text was meant.
3.4 Bevelled-rim bowl, and Sumerian sign meaning “to eat.”
- From Nissen 1988a[2]: Figure 33, p. 84.
- Nissen 1988b[3]Verify CitationCan you help us verify the year in this citation?: Figure 30, p. 123, Bevelled Rim Bowl and the sign-forms for KU2 “to eat.”Illustration QueryShould Illustration 3.4 be split into two images instead of one?
3.5 Mesopotamian weights from third-millennium BC Lagash: The earliest known weight (of Dudu, c. 2400 BC), and duck measure, etc. (reproduced in Berriman,[4] pp. 56, 8).
- A 29 kilogram octopus weight from Knossos, the capital of Crete, approximated the Bronze ingot weights from Hagia Triada (Palmer[5] 1963: p. 110).Illustration QueryIs a second illustration called for here that should be added to Chapter 3 body?
3.6 Guitel[6] 1975: sign for silver, like barley.Illustration QueryThere is no indication where in the chapter body this could go. What do you think about where Illustration 3.6 belongs?
3.7 Hammurapi’s legal stela, upper register depicting him receiving his laws from Shamash. (Louvre.) Ditto from Mari palace. From André Parrot,[7] “Les Peintures du palais de Mari” in Syria, Vol. 18 (1937): p. 336 (plate 39, figures 8–10).Illustration QueryThere was no indication in the chapter body of where Illustration 3.7 should go.
3.8 Painting from Old Kingdom Egypt, of “overseers weighing out quantities of material to the craftsmen and scribes noting down the amounts issued.” From V. Gordon Childe, Man Makes Himself, p. 166.Illustration QueryThere was no indication in the chapter body of where Illustration 3.8 should go.
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The Linguistic Root ‘Reg’ (‘Regularity,’ ‘Regime,’ ‘Royal,’ Etc.)
Modern languages associate rulership with the ideas of regime, regulation, and regularity, above all in the sense of administering distributive justice. To be sure, royal titles such as “czar” and “kaiser” derive from the family name of Julius Caesar. The word “king” means “head,” alluding to a sequential order—the head of a procession, or perhaps of a table.
Nearly all communities associate the act of ruling—in the sense of proclaiming laws and judging—with that of measuring. This double-sense is inherent in Indo-European words for rulership. Measures are rules, and rules are laws. Rulers rule by taking measures. These notions underlie a broad complex of words associated with the root “reg.” The list includes Hindu “rajah,” English “regent,” and French “roi,” as well as the German word for government, “Regierung,” and hence the land ruled: “Das Reich,” the realm. The English cognate is “region,” and the name “Richard” derives from the same root.
The evolution of this “reg” terminology reflects an abstraction from quantitative rules to more general laws. A figurative usage is thus at work. The idea of ruling—in the sense of saying who should get how much, and how often—was an important step toward establishing regularity in archaic palaces and temples, and in time for society at large. Setting ration levels and prices for the major commodities and public services is what empowered Near Eastern rulers literally to rule. Administering such regularity is what the word “rule” literally meant, along with its related words “regal,” “royal,” and “regime.”Verify Citation
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The book of Job (Chapter 38) expresses this idea eloquently when the Lord speaks out of the whirlwind to ask Job:
- “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? …
- Who marked off its dimensions? …
- Who stretched a measuring line across it?
- On what were its footings set,
- or who laid its cornerstone,
- While the morning stars sang together
- and all the angels shouted for joy?”
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3.1: A.E. Berriman, Historical Metrology (New York: 1953).
Any image suggested for inclusion in The Creation of Order must be licensed under Creative Commons 4.0 or in the public domain if it is to be embedded in the chapter. If it is not CC4.0 or PD, please suggest a link to somewhere externally readers might find the correct image. Please include a source link and attribution information for any image suggestion (Wikimedia Commons links are preferred if available).3.2: E. Douglas van Buren, “The Rod and the Ring,” Archiv Orientalni, Vol. 17 (1949), pp. 434–450, from Sumerian cylinder seals.
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“Ur-Nammu stele: The moon-god Nanna giving Ur-Nammu the measuring rod and line with which he is to determine the dimensions of the ziggurat” and it is “reproduced in Van Buren 1945, 1949, and/or 1956 [we’re not sure which text of hers].”
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E. Douglas van Buren, “The Rod and the Ring,” Archiv Orientalni, Vol. 17 (1949), pp. 434–450, “from Sumerian cylinder seals.”
See also: the author’s Illustrations list.
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Can you help us check this fact? We found that Mari palace was founded in the “25th century BC, last major renovation c. 1800 BC” per Wikipedia.
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According to the author’s Illustrations list, this should be:Any image suggested for inclusion in The Creation of Order must be licensed under Creative Commons 4.0 or in the public domain if it is to be embedded in the chapter. If it is not CC4.0 or PD, please suggest a link to somewhere externally readers might find the correct image. Please include a source link and attribution information for any image suggestion (Wikimedia Commons links are preferred if available).“Bevelled-rim bowl, and Sumerian sign meaning ‘to eat.’”
Hans J. Nissen, The Early History of the Ancient Near East: 9000–2000 BC (Chicago: 1988a), Figure 33, p. 84.
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Hans J. Nissen, Mesopotamia Before 5000 Years (Rome: 1988b), Figure 30, p. 123: Bevelled Rim Bowl and the sign-forms for KU2 “to eat.”
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The French cuneiformist Maurice Lambert[13] (1963: p. 83) explained the system’s rationale:
- “When the scribe calculates the monthly barley payments—whether to feed animals or pay workers—he began by calculating a daily total. This was actually his only real calculation, for inasmuch as there are 300 sila in a gur, and 30 days in a month, the figure for the monthly expense follows automatically, at least for anyone who knows how to divide by 10. For example, a daily outlay of 250 sila occasions a monthly expense of 25 gur; a daily outlay of 185 sila works out to a monthly expense of 18 1/2 gur, that is, 18 gur 150.”
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- Maurice Lambert, “Textes commerciaux de Lagash,” Revue d’Assyriologie, Vol. 47 (1953), pp. 37–69 and pp. 105–120.
- Maurice Lambert, “La naissance de la bureaucratie,” Revue Historique, Vol. 224 (1960), pp. 1–26.
- Maurice Lambert, “La premier triomphe de la bureaucratie,” Revue Historique, Vol. 225 (1961a), pp. 21–46.
- Maurice Lambert, “Recherches sur la vie ouvriers,” Archiv Orientalni, Vol. 29 (1961b), pp. 427–438.
- Maurice Lambert, “L’Usage de l’argent-métal a Lagash au temps de la IIIe Dynastie d’Ur,” Revue d’Assyriologie, Vol. 57 (1963), pp. 79–92.
- Maurice Lambert, “La Guerre entre Urukagina et Lugalzagesi,” Rivista degli studi Orientali, Vol. 41 (1966).
- Maurice Lambert, “L’Expansion de Lagash au temps d’Entemena,” Rivista degli studi Orientali, Vol. 47 (1972), pp. 9–13.
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Can you help us find the image that goes here, or something like it if it’s not in the public domain or creative commons? According to the author’s Illustrations list, we think this should be:Any image suggested for inclusion in The Creation of Order must be licensed under Creative Commons 4.0 or in the public domain if it is to be embedded in the chapter. If it is not CC4.0 or PD, please suggest a link to somewhere externally readers might find the correct image. Please include a source link and attribution information for any image suggestion (Wikimedia Commons links are preferred if available).“Mesopotamian weights from third-millennium BC Lagash: The earliest known weight (of Dudu, c. 2400 BC), and duck measure, etc. (reproduced in A.E. Berriman, Historical Metrology (New York: 1953), pp. 56, 8).”
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| Smallest Fractional Unit | Normal Rate of Interest | Region |
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In the decimal system, 1 2/3 percent |
1 shekel per month per mina owed per month = 20 percent per year | Bronze Age Mesopotamia |
| 1/10th | 10 percent per year (dekate) | Classical Greece |
| 1/12th | 8 1/3 percent (1/12th) per year (uncia) | Classical Rome |
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“Anyone storing grain in the house of another shall compensate the bailee by paying to him 5 ‘ka’ of grain for every 1 ‘gur’ of grain stored during the year.”
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Hammurapi’s laws numbers 94–95 were lost according to this source. Can you help us figure out how the author was counting or what his source is?
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- ↑ E. Douglas van Buren, “The Rod and the Ring,” Archiv Orientalni, Vol. 17 (1949), pp. 434–450.
- ↑ Hans J. Nissen, The Early History of the Ancient Near East: 9000–2000 BC (Chicago: 1988a), Figure 33, p. 84.
- ↑ Hans J. Nissen, Mesopotamia Before 5000 Years (Rome: 1988b),Verify CitationCan you help us verify the year in this citation? Figure 30, p. 123.
- ↑ A.E. Berriman, Historical Metrology (New York: 1953), pp. 56, 8.
- ↑ Leonard R. Palmer, Mycenaeans and Minoans: Aegean Prehistory in the Light of the Linear B Tablets (New York: 1963), p. 110.
- ↑ Geneviève Guitel, Histoire Comparée des Numérations Écrites (Paris: 1975), see esp. pp. 328f.
- ↑ André Parrot, Tello (Paris: 1948).
- ↑ A. Seidenberg, “The Ritual Origin of Geometry,” Archive for History of Exact Sciences, Vol. 1 (1962a), p. 520.
- ↑ Thorkild Jacobsen, The Harps that Once…: Sumerian Poetry in Translation (New Haven: 1987).
- ↑ V.B. Mainkar, “Metrology in the Indus Civilization,” in B.B. Lal and S.P. Gupta (eds.), Frontiers of the Indus Civilization (New Delhi: 1984), pp. 141–151.
- ↑ Hans J. Nissen, Mesopotamia Before 5000 Years (Rome: 1988b).
- ↑ Hans J. Nissen, Mesopotamia Before 5000 Years (Rome: 1988b).
- ↑ Maurice Lambert, “L’Usage de l’argent-métal a Lagash au temps de la IIIe Dynastie d’Ur,” Revue d’Assyriologie, Vol. 57 (1963), pp. 79–92.
- ↑ Maurice Lambert, “La naissance de la bureaucratie,” Revue Historique, Vol. 224 (1960), pp. 1–26.
- ↑ Maurice Lambert, “La premier triomphe de la bureaucratie,” Revue Historique, Vol. 225 (1961a), pp. 21–46.
- ↑ Alexander I. Tyumenev, “The Working Personnel on the Estate of the Temple of dBa.ú in Lagaš During the Period of Lugalanda and Urukagina (25th–24th cent. BC)” [1954], in Igor M. Diakonoff (ed.), Ancient Mesopotamia: Socio-Economic History (Moscow: 1969), pp. 88–126.
- ↑ Maurice Lambert, “L’Usage de l’argent-métal a Lagash au temps de la IIIe Dynastie d’Ur,” Revue d’Assyriologie, Vol. 57 (1963), p. 84.
- ↑ Daniel C. Snell, Ledgers and Prices: Early Mesopotamian Merchant Accounts (New Haven: 1982).
- ↑ Daniel C. Snell, Ledgers and Prices: Early Mesopotamian Merchant Accounts (New Haven: 1982).
- ↑ Leonard R. Palmer, Mycenaeans and Minoans: Aegean Prehistory in the Light of the Linear B Tablets (New York: 1963).
- ↑ I.M. Diakonoff, “Some Reflections on Numerals in Sumerian Towards a History of Mathematical Speculation,” Journal of the American Oriental Society, Vol. 103, No. 1 (1983), pp. 83–96.
- ↑ I.M. Diakonoff, “Some Reflections on Numerals in Sumerian Towards a History of Mathematical Speculation,” Journal of the American Oriental Society, Vol. 103, No. 1 (1983), pp. 83–96.
- ↑ Maria de Jong Ellis, “Simdatu in the Old Babylonian Sources,” Journal of Cuneiform Studies, Vol. 24 (1972), pp. 74–82.