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The Propaganda of Order
According to Hermann Fränkel (Early Greek Poetry and Philosophy[1]: p. 416), “‘Order’ (kosmos) was a party slogan of the aristocracy.” This was like the hypothetical ancestral constitution, and much like the right-winger “strict constructionists” today in the U.S.
But the aristocracy rewrote the view of Solon: to say that he merely lowered the rate of interest, and did not cancel debts. And they added to (and no doubt removed from) the works of Theognis according to their own party propaganda.
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Hubris, Talent, and Wealth
Hubris as a consequence of wealth. Overweaning pride, becoming infinite in its desires; infinite as insatiable. Tantalus. (Shift to talent from Tantalus. The weight of his head.)
Talent. It originally meant “weight,” then weighed coinage, then riches. Then, the talent which money could buy, or the circular reasoning: that one had wealth because one was talented, which meant literally simply because one was rich, had a heavy weight of coinage.
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Religion and the Justice of Righteous Kings
Hocart[1] 1954: p. 32 (Social Origins): Just as in idolatry one confuses the container with the content, so “as centralization and imperium proceed,” the king “tends to become a god in his won right”—as a god himself, not merely the equivalent or representative of gods.
Hocart[2] (Kingship, 1927: p. 36) noted that under the Roman Empire the traditional deities Ceres and Fortuna “became specially connected with the Emperor, and similar tutelar powers were added such as Annona, or the Annual Crops, Abundantia introduced by Elagabalus, the Syrian. From Augustus onwards we find on Roman coins such inscriptions as: the Prosperity of Augustus, the Yearly Increase of Augustus, the Welfare of Augustus, the Ceres of Augustus.”
Hocart quoted P.V. Kane[3] (1922–23: pp. 76f.) in Kingship[4] (1927: p. 50): “The Buddhist Revelations… describe the decadence that is to end this age: ‘In the course of time kings who are not of the right lineage will become unjust; the ministers and others will become unjust. By their injustice the god will not rain at all, then the crops will not flourish at all.”
The Indians held that usurpers would not rule justly, and many other parts of the world shared this belief.
And indeed, the Roman Empire was unjust. Its aristocracy had arrogance. And its prosperity dried up, and it collapsed.
As Hocart[5] wrote (1927: p. 95), inevitably, “kings and their courts tried to forget the conditional nature of the royal power. That phase was reached in England under the Tudors and the Stuarts, and it is significant that those kings tried to deny the popular tenure of their power and escape its conditions by altering the coronation oath.”
- ↑ Arthur M. Hocart, Social Origins (London: 1954), p. 32.
- ↑ Arthur M. Hocart, Kingship (London: 1927), p. 36.
- ↑ P.V. Kane, “The Vedic Basis of Hindu Law,” Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society (Bombay), 1922–23, pp. 76f.
- ↑ Arthur M. Hocart, Kingship (London: 1927), p. 50.
- ↑ Arthur M. Hocart, Kingship (London: 1927), p. 95.
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“Oriental despotisms.”
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One consideration is the concept of liberty—freedom from slavery—versus our economic liberty, i.e., the freedom to use market forces to extort as much as we can.
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Classical Greece and Rome were more in the character of aristocracies than democracies.
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chrematistike
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“associated with trade (chrematistike), which is not productive of goods in the full sense but only through their exchange. … All those engaged in acquiring goods go on increasing their coin without limit… the end is sheer increase”
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Aristotle concluded (Politics I.10), “is fully justified, for the gain arises out of currency itself, not as a product of that for which currency was provided. Coinage was intended to be a means of exchange, whereas interest represents an increase in the currency itself. Hence its name, tokos (‘offspring’), for each animal produces its like, and interest is currency born of currency. And so of all types of business this is the most contrary to nature.”
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Western civilization itself seemed to be a dead end, at least to the Eastern (
Byzantine) half of the Roman Empire and to the Christian
millenarianists as to the Hebrew prophets.
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Also “cosmopolitan,” locking progress into an international grid.
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beginning the year 10 days late instead of on the winter solstice, which falls awkwardly on December 21 instead of on
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The lunacy of beginning the year 10 days late instead of on the winter solstice, which falls awkwardly on December 21 instead of on
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Solar symbol: The Roman emperors and subsequent European kings emerged out of aristocratic infighting. They presupposed an irreversible inviolability of bloodlines, not social fluidity.
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Caesar’s year of 365 1/4 days, subsequently refined. Worldwide adoption of the foot and mile, then the meter and gram. Division of the world into 24 time zones.
International prices all plugged into a single worldwide grid.
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Only the millennium is left. In 1000 AD
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Day of Judgment at the end of historical time.
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The
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The limited-liability corporation protects individuals from state control under the
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International bodies sponsor worldwide uniformity of prices (as well as the metric standard) under free trade, and also the sanctity of world debt—and hence finance-capital—operating via offshore banking enclaves to evade national controls.
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Separation of church and state is associated with a conflict between personal self-seeking and social obligation.
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International economic polarization threatens to become so extreme as to force a new Clean Slate.
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